Was Jesus Really the Messiah?

Luke 1:32 (NIV) He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,

David’s throne was a physical throne and Jesus never did sit on a physical throne. So since we know that didn’t happen then he must not have been the Messiah.

Numbers 24:17-19 (NIV) “I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush the foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the sons of Sheth. 18 Edom will be conquered; Seir, his enemy, will be conquered, but Israel will grow strong. 19 A ruler will come out of Jacob and destroy the survivors of the city.”

Jesus didn’t crush anybody’s skull so he must not have been the Messiah.

2 Samuel 7:12-16 (NIV) When your days are over and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me ; your throne will be established forever.'”

Jesus didn’t build a house for the name of God, so he must not have been the Messiah.

Isaiah 11:1-5 (NIV) A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. 2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him– the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD– 3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; 4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked. 5 Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist.

Jesus didn’t slay any wicked people with the breath of his lips and he didn’t strike the earth with the rod of his mouth, so he must not have been the Messiah.

Micah 5:1 (NIV) Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is laid against us. They will strike Israel’s ruler on the cheek with a rod. 2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”

Jesus never did rule over Israel so he must not have been the Messiah.

Isaiah 58:6 (NIV) “Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke?

Jesus didn’t set people free, so he must not have been the Messiah.

Isaiah 11:6  The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

I know no little child led leopards and lambs, etc. So Jesus must not have been the Messiah.

Isaiah 65:19  And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

I know people in Jerusalem still cried when Jesus came, so he must not have been the Messiah. There will be no more tears when the Messiah comes.

Isaiah 65:25  The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

The wolf and lamb didn’t feed together and people still hurt and destroy, so Jesus must not have been the Messiah.

Isaiah 53:7  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

He was brought as a lamb. That means the same thing as a lamb (at least we say that when the Bible says a day is as a thousand years). Jesus didn’t turn into a lamb, so we know he wasn’t the Messiah.

Psalms 72:10-11 (NIV) The kings of Tarshish and of distant shores will bring tribute to him; the kings of Sheba and Seba will present him gifts. 11 All kings will bow down to him and all nations will serve him.

No kings bowed down to Jesus and no nations served him, so he must not have been the Messiah.

Zechariah 6:13 (NIV) It is he who will build the temple of the LORD, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be a priest on his throne. And there will be harmony between the two.’

He didn’t build the temple and he didn’t sit and rule on a throne, so he must not have been the Messiah.

Sound crazy? Yeah, it does to me too. Because we understand how these things are true without any of them actually happening, we accept that Jesus was the Messiah. But when we look at the same kind of language in the New Testament we suddenly expect stars to fall out of the sky.
Moonbeam

2.22.10

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Redemption of the Body

Redemption of the Body

Down Payment

In 2 Corinthians 5:5 we read that the Holy Spirit was given as an earnest or down payment until the “redemption of the purchased possession” (Eph 1:14;4:30). The purchased possession, of course, is the body of Christ (Acts 20:28).

Paul leads up to this discussion about the earnest with 1 Corinthians 12. He discusses spiritual gifts and says everyone has a different gift. Then he goes into the idea of the one body (the church) and talks about how every individual Christian is a member of that one body.

Absence from the Body

This leads Paul into a discussion of another body, the body that he is at home in, waiting to be absent from it so he can be at home with the Lord. Notice that in verse 6 of 2 Corinthians 5 Paul says “while we are at home in the body,” not “bodies.” He continues to use the singular the same as he did when he talked about one body (the church) in 1 Corinthians 12. Paul was talking by inspiration. He had a reason to use the plural “we are” and singular “body.”

What was the one body that Paul and those to whom he wrote were “at home” in and waiting to get out of? What is the body that is mentioned in Luke 17:37 and Matthew 24:28 to which the eagles would be gathered when Christ came to bring judgment in the lifetime of those to whom he spoke? Luke uses the word ptoma and Matthew uses soma, but both words mean a corpse. (Adam Clarke says it is “the dead carcass. The Jewish nation, which was morally and judicially dead.”) While in that body the Jews were subject to old covenant judgment. When they were no longer in that body they would be present with the Lord. They were eagerly looking forward to this.

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Paul’s Continued Obedience to the Law

Remember that Paul continued to obey the Law of Moses even after becoming a Christian–because he was a Jew.

Acts 21:23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

No, the apostles didn’t make Gentiles be circumcised or keep the law of Moses (Acts 15). But Paul kept the law. And he was waiting to be relieved of that burden.

Seeing Face to Face

I believe these early Christians were longing for the end of Judaism, for the consummation of the marriage to Christ, when they would see face to face and no longer darkly as in a mirror. Until the Law was completely taken out of the way, they could not be married to Christ. They were waiting and hoping for the time when they would know their husband. What was in part would disappear. Paul said he would know even as also he was known (1 Cor 13:12). What does that word “know” conjure up? When a man knows his wife, what does that mean? It means he is intimate with her because he is married to her. When spiritual gifts (the earnest) ceased, I believe Paul was going to know as he was known because the wedding of Christ and the church would have taken place. The church would be redeemed.

Revelation 22:4 says “they shall see his face.” The relationship of God and his children would be face to face, no longer through a glass darkly. Isn’t that exactly what Paul said in I Corinthians 13:12? He said he would see God face to face when spiritual gifts ceased. John said that in the new Jerusalem people would see God’s face. These passages have to be talking about the same time and the same event. So all we have to know is when spiritual gifts ceased–when they would no longer be needed because the redemption of the body had been completed. Then we will know when 1 Corinthians 13 and Revelation 22 took place.

Passing of the Prophets

Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

When the fountain was opened for sin, when reconciliation for iniquity was made, and when Christ was anointed, then vision and prophecy would cease. Paul said prophecy would cease when “that which is perfect” came and that which was “in part” was gone (1 Cor 13:9-10). This was, of course, when Paul would see “face to face.”

Holy of Holies

When Christ returned in AD 70 (Matthew 24 and Luke 21 make it clear that he returned at that time to take vengeance on Jerusalem for the blood of all the righteous slain on the earth, Mt 23:35), he returned “without sin unto salvation” (Heb 9:28). He had left the earth and gone into the holy of holies. But according to the Law the high priest had to come back out of the holy of holies for anybody else to be able to enter the tabernacle or for sin to be removed.

Leviticus 16:17 And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.

And I think that’s what Hebrews 9:28 is talking about. Christ came back out. If he hadn’t returned then we wouldn’t know whether the sacrifice had been acceptable to God. And we certainly could not enter God’s presence ourselves. In fact, the Bible is clear that the way into the holiest of all was not made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing (Heb 9:8). But the temple, the sacrifices, and all that pertained to Judaism were destroyed. Christ’s sacrifice was accepted and complete. The old covenant was finished. Atonement was made, and Christ came out of the holy place and proved it.

Timing of the Redemption

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

As this scripture shows, redemption was to come for that generation (Lk 21:32). And as Daniel 9:24 states, an end was made of sins, vision and prophecy were sealed up, and Christ was anointed. The purchased possession was redeemed. Prophecy ceased. Christ and God began to dwell with man, and men could see them “face to face” as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13.

1 Cor 15:55 where, O Death, thy sting? where, O Hades, thy victory?
56 and the sting of the death [is] the sin, and the power of the sin the law; (Young’s Literal)

Once the Law was gone, the sin was gone. And if the sin was gone, the death was gone. “Sweet is the song I’m singing today. I’m redeemed! I’m redeemed!”

Moonbeam
2.21.10

Confirmed to the End

1 Corinthians 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul says Christ was confirmed in the Corinthians by the gifts they received. The only gifts that would confirm are spiritual gifts. These people were to be confirmed by spiritual gifts unto the end. What end? They were to be confirmed, behind in no gift, waiting for the coming of the Lord. The spiritual gifts were to help them be blameless in the “day of our Lord Jesus Christ.” That’s the end.

Paul is clear that the Corinthians were to have spiritual gifts unto the coming of the Lord. Those spiritual gifts were to confirm them, and the gifts would not go away because they were to keep the Corinthians blameless “in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Paul says all these people (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers) would remain until the Ephesians all came in the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man. When would that be? Well, we already know that the spiritual gifts were to remain unto the end, which was the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. And prophets and the apostles had spiritual gifts. We can therefore know that prophets and apostles must remain until the “coming of the Lord” and “the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Now, some might say, “Well, we still have all of these to confirm us except the apostles and prophets, but we have the WRITINGS of the apostles and prophets so in a way we still have them too.” That might be an easy way out, but I don’t think it’s wise to dismiss the apostles and prophets so easily. If we can dismiss them, let’s dismiss the evangelists, pastors, and teachers too! Even if it were the case that the apostles’ and prophets’ writings count as their still being here, we must remember that the spiritual gifts themselves were to remain unto the end–until the coming of the Lord, until the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We must also remember that these words of Paul’s were not written to you and me. They were written to the Corinthians. The Corinthians, living at the time Paul wrote, were to be confirmed by spiritual gifts unto the END, unto the coming of the Lord, unto the day of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

What is Paul saying here? He’s saying that the Corinthians had prophecies but they knew only in part. They had spiritual gifts but they still knew only in part. But they would someday know as they were known and spiritual gifts would disappear. BUT these Christians were, as we saw earlier, to KEEP those spiritual gifts and not be behind in any gift while waiting for the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, who would confirm them with these gifts unto the END, that they might be blameless in the day of the Lord.

Now, either these Corinthians are still alive and waiting, and spiritual gifts still remain to confirm Christians, OR the day of the Lord has come and we no longer need the gifts nor do we any longer see through a glass darkly but instead we see face to face. So which is it? Do we still have spiritual gifts? Can we speak in tongues and prophesy? Can we raise the dead? If we drink poison will we not die? Can we take up serpents and not be killed? Can we lay our hands on the sick and make them well? Can we raise people from the grave? I can’t do any of those things and don’t know anyone who can.

So what does that mean? It MEANS that spiritual gifts are no more. And what does THAT mean? It means that the end has come. It means the day of the Lord is past.

Again, in I Corinthians 13:10, Paul says that when that which is perfect came, those Christians would see face to face and know even as they were known. Spiritual gifts were in force during this “seeing in part” time. These gifts were given as an earnest or down payment (II Co 5:5), to sustain, confirm, and comfort the church. Just as the physical needs of the Israelites (water, manna, quail, and shoes and clothes that wouldn’t wear out) were provided for while they wandered in the wilderness for forty years, until they entered the promised land, so the spiritual needs of Christians (spiritual gifts) were provided for–unto the coming of the Lord, when they would no longer see in part but would see face to face, and be in the promised land–the New Jerusalem.

Have you thought about the fact that forty years also passed from the time Christianity began to the destruction of Jerusalem? Even more interesting, 3000 souls were destroyed when Moses got the Ten Commandments and 3000 souls were saved when Peter preached at Pentecost (Ex 32:28, Acts 2:41)? Moses and the Law were a type. He got the Law, they wandered forty years (being fed by God), they entered the promised land. Christ’s law came, Christians “wandered” forty years (being fed by God), then entered the promised land.

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face [I Co 13:12]; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Looking at Revelation 22:3 and I Corinthians 13:12, we can see that when spiritual gifts ceased Christians would be able to see God’s face. Looking at I Corinthians 1:3 we can know that God would confirm with spiritual gifts until the coming of the Lord. At some point Christians were able, or will be able, to see the face of God and no longer need spiritual gifts–at the coming of the Lord. Either this has happened already or we ought to still have spiritual gifts to confirm us.

Moonbeam

2.15.10